You may know Chris Skowronski from Killing Time, Uppercut, his many other musical projects, and his enduring love of the Knicks. He also played a crucial role in shaping Lost Indignation, both through an early background interview and later as its editor. We talked about the Knicks’ playoff chances, the different types of editing, and Killing Time shows on their home turf in the 914.
So Killing Time is playing in Ardsley on April 22! What is the best Westchester show that you’ve played (so far), and your favorite Westchester show you’ve attended? (Sidenote: everyone please take my Westchester shows survey at iquestionnotmedia.com/poll)
Believe it or not, I haven’t played many shows in Westchester in the 30 or so years I’ve been playing in bands, and I think all of them may have been in Yonkers. For the best, I’m going to go with a show at Rockin’ Rex around ’91 or ’92. I was playing in a band called Mind’s Eye, which was a post-hardcore project that was basically me and the other guys from Uppercut, plus Carl. We were opening for Killing Time, so Carl was doing double-duty that day. (This was before I joined Killing Time—I think it was when they had this dude Alex playing bass). Anyway, Anthony has a notoriously bum shoulder which would dislocate really easily if someone bumped him; it had happened at shows before. And this show was on the floor of a tiny record store, so of course it was packed. As soon as KT started, everybody went nuts and piled on Anthony, immediately dislocating his shoulder. This was literally, like, 20 seconds into the set. So, he bailed to go to the hospital, and I actually sang the rest of the Killing Time set. That was fun.
Favorite show I saw in Westchester but didn’t play? I’d probably have to go with something at Streets in New Rochelle. I saw Nuclear Assault there around ’88 or so. I was really into them at the time, and I think Maximum Penalty might have opened? A lot of those shows in the late ‘80s at Streets were mixed thrash/hardcore shows. It was kind of the beginning of the whole crossover era. It always led to a slightly dangerous vibe with all the heshers and skinheads and hardcore kids all mixed together. Over time, that became much more of a normal thing, but back then, there was always a certain amount of consternation about the potential for long hair-short hair violence! Seems very quaint now.
What was it like learning all the Breakdown songs for the Rich McLoughlin memorial show and playing a hybrid Breakdown – Killing Time set without Rich?
When we first decided to do the memorial show, we had some discussions about whether we would find someone to fill in for Rich on second guitar in KT. But we pretty quickly decided that for the show—and moving forward in general—we wouldn’t replace him and would just play with one guitar, as Raw Deal/KT had originally been a one-guitar band before Rich moved from bass to second guitar anyway. On the Breakdown side, there was some talk at first about inviting different friends who play bass to come up and play on various songs. It was a cool idea, but logistically, it just seemed like a pain in terms of getting various people in to rehearse, etc. So they just asked if I would do it. We figured we would just book longer practice sessions and start rehearsing both bands’ sets during the same practices. Of course, I was happy to do it, but I did have to quickly learn the whole Breakdown set, which was a little tougher than you would think. Rich had a lot of unique bass parts on those songs, and I wanted to make sure I played them exactly as he did. I’ve played in Killing Time for the last 17 years and over that time have put my own stamp on many of the bass parts from the old KT stuff. But the bass is kind of the most prominent instrument in a lot of those Breakdown songs—lots of solo bass breaks and hooks—so I had to learn them note-for-note, not just as a tribute to Rich, but to make them actually sound like the songs.
Carl suggested the split-set idea once we decided that I would play bass for Breakdown, since that meant both bands were going to be the same three guys, with the two singers being the only difference. And since Carl, Drago, and I were going to be up there for two sets in a row anyway, so why not put a twist on it and do something special? Plus, it would give Anthony and Jeff a breather every other song, which is important at our advanced ages! God knows I could’ve used one. It was a long set—I think something like 25 songs?
As far as playing on stage without Rich, KT had actually played our first show without him at This is Hardcore in Philly about a month before the memorial show. It was definitely weird and very sad not having him up there. Rich and I shared the same side of the stage, and we’d always be bumping into each other, getting our guitar cables tangled, or just looking at each other and laughing if we messed up a part or something like that. I just missed him being up there. We all did. The memorial show had a little more of a celebratory vibe, which helped a bit. Also, I was so focused on not screwing up any of the Breakdown songs that it took my mind off of it a bit.
Besides the upcoming Killing Time show, are any of your other bands actively playing? Is Gordita Beach going to record those great news songs I’ve only heard live?
Carl and I played a couple Kings Destroy fly-gigs recently, but there is nothing really on the horizon with that band, at least not right now. Gordita Beach is still playing. We have a gig on May 19th at Our Wicked Lady in Brooklyn.
GB will definitely make a record that includes those new songs at some point. Killing Time is going to Europe at the end of June, and I think we’re going to play a small local show somewhere in Brooklyn as a warm-up right before we go. So, between this Westchester show and those gigs, we have to kind of get all the KT stuff out of the way before we can figure out what we want to do about recording the new Gordita Beach material.
We talked about the Will Library a bit while you were editing Lost Indignation. How many library cards do you own, and in what systems? And what is your favorite library?
Currently, I only own just one library card, and it is from the Brooklyn Public Library system. I had a library card from the Yonkers Public Library system when I was growing up of course, but a while back I took out some books and kept them so long after the return date that I didn’t want to bring them back because I feared some severe sanction by the library police. So, I sadly let my Yonkers card expire. That was sometime around ‘93, as they were books I’d taken out to work on my college senior English paper. Anyway, if you go to a Yonkers public library looking for books on Lord Byron and are disappointed in the lack of selection, I apologize!
My favorite library is still the branch of the Yonkers Public Library that was local to the neighborhood where I grew up—the Riverfront branch. Beautiful views of the Palisades across the river (hence, “Riverfront”), very cozy. I think we probably talked about this when we were editing your book, but the Will Library is way over on the East side of Yonkers, and I grew up on the West side, near the Hudson River. But as I also mentioned to you previously, when I was in middle school one of my sisters used to drive me over to the Will Library to play in a weekly Dungeons and Dragons game. So I do have a soft spot for the Will branch. The Yonkers Public Library also had a Bookmobile that would come to my grade school once a month when I was a kid. I don’t know if they still have the Bookmobile or if people even know what they are now. Basically, it was a bus that was filled with bookshelves, and the library would fill it with age-appropriate books and park it outside of schools. We’d have a free period where we could go in and take out some books. The driver was a librarian and would have a little check-out station up in the front. I always enjoyed the days the Bookmobile would show up. I remember that it was always on a Friday afternoon, which added to the vibes.
I know you are a dog person but were any of your classic riffs or songs written when there were cats in the room, and what classic riffs were perhaps never written due to cat interference?
At the time when I was writing a bunch of the songs for the third Killing Time record, I was living in a house with two cats, and they were definitely in the room (and walking all over whatever equipment I was using to record demos). I don’t know if you would consider any of those songs “classics,” but I think they’re all pretty killer, though I’m biased of course. For the second part of your question, I am sure that cats have prevented many classic songs from being written over the years. I am also sure that those cats do not care at all about what they have done.
What are your favorite feral stairs (step street) in Yonkers, and your favorite food in Yonkers?
Ah, deep local Yonkers knowledge questions! There was a pretty good step-street off of Lake Ave near the high school I went to in Yonkers. Also, the one behind Public School #16 near my childhood home was cool. My favorite might not technically be a step-street, as it was inside Untermyer Park. We called it the “thousand steps,” though there were probably only a hundred or so. There was a little round clearing at the bottom, and it was a popular keg party spot when I was in high school. I spent a lot of my youth hanging out in that park and being a general dirtbag. Anyone who knows anything about the Son of Sam and the alleged devil-worshipping cult he was connected to will know about Untermyer Park. One of the most metal places one could possibly hang out, drink beers, and listen to Venom on a boom-box.
My favorite food in Yonkers is the baked ziti from Gi-Gi’s pizzeria on Odell Ave. I think it’s still there, though I haven’t been there in many years.
How do you feel about the Knicks’ playoff chances?
I’m not sure when this interview will come out, but I am writing this on Easter morning, and the Knicks are playing the last game of the regular season in a couple hours. So if this comes out after the first round of the playoffs, I might be eating crow, but I feel really good about their chances. The East was super tough this year, with both the Bucks and the Celtics having really dominant years. But we match-up pretty well with the Cavs (whom we play in the first round) and took the season series off of them 3-1. That being said, we do have a pretty young team. It is one of our strengths, but of course it also means we don’t have many guys with playoff experience. Regardless of what happens, this year was a tremendous success considering where we came from last year, and this is without a doubt my favorite Knicks team since some of the ‘90s squads. I’m too superstitious about the Knicks to make any definitive prediction, but again, I do feel good about our chances, in the first round at least. If we get past the Cavs, I think we can make things hard for any of the better teams in the East. We are scrappy, and I can easily see us being a spoiler.
What is the most significant sports moment that occurred while you were at a hardcore show?
This is a great question. I don’t think I have any, at least none that I can remember. However, I have a very clear memory of coming back from band practice when I was in Uppercut, going into a Chinese restaurant in the Bronx to get some food, and seeing on an old television there that James “Buster” Douglas had knocked-out Mike Tyson and become the heavyweight champion. That was in 1990, and it was probably the biggest upset in boxing history, as not only was Douglas a massive underdog, but nobody had even knocked Tyson down at that point, never mind knocked him out. (To be fair, Tyson hadn’t taken him too seriously and wasn’t in shape; plus, it was a lucky punch.)
What is your favorite baseball book or movie?
The Natural (both book and movie).
What advice would you have for someone writing their first novel – and what type of editing services do you offer?
My two pieces of advice would be to write what you know (cliché, but it’s a cliché for a reason) and to get a good editor! Seriously, you need someone whose talent and opinion you trust to give you honest feedback and help with the finer points of grammar and usage, as you can be a great writer and still not have the best command of those things. This is why editors exist, of course. As far as the types of editing I do, most people don’t know that there are different types to begin with. There is a general editor, who will work with you on the overall vision and story and give larger-scope advice on things like character arcs and cutting or adding large sections. Sort of like a music producer does with a band. Big picture stuff. Then you get into what’s called line editing, which is correcting the grammar and usage while also having a fair amount of leeway to rewrite sentences completely, cut fairly large chunks, suggest additions, question if something a character says makes sense, etc. This is basically what I did with you on Lost Indignation. It’s sort of halfway between a general editor and what is called a copy editor. A copy editor is someone who just corrects the grammar and usage of the sentences while preserving the author’s original writing as much as possible. You don’t really make cuts or suggest any additions—you just make sure whatever the author wrote is correct, grammatically. So, it’s the next step down from a line editor, in terms of how much “power” you have (or in this case, don’t have) over the material. Then there is proofreading, which comes at the very end. A proofreader is just there to be the final set of eyes after the editor(s). You are just hunting for typos or the occasional grammatical mistake that the line/copy editor may have missed before the manuscript goes to press. I can do and have done all of these. Hit me up!
Thank you for doing this! Anything else you want to cover? And to close us out, what is your favorite last song on a hardcore record?
You are very welcome! This is another good question. I’ve always loved “Unexpected” on Leeway’s Born to Expire. I’m a sucker for the old false-ending trick, and when they bring it back in with that sick mosh riff, it’s just such a killer way to end a great record.
