Holly Berchielli and Outsider Magazine

I’m always amazed that I didn’t know Holly Berchielli until Chris Wynne from In Effect connected us for my 914 Day event last year. For the past 25 years, Holly has been at the helm of Outsider Magazine, showcasing hardcore, punk, and metal in the Hudson Valley. Along with honoring this quarter-century milestone I wanted to dig into the many moving parts of this extensive publication, as opposed to zines that are just one person writing about stuff they like and not adhering to a traditional format or schedule. I’m in awe of Holly’s ability to organize all of this while also booking monthly shows and starting a new radio show, Bring the Noise, with the aforementioned Chris of In Effect. Read on to learn about the origins of Outsider, how issues and show lineups are assembled, and how Holly and the crew are celebrating their quarter century crisis.

Outsider Magazine is primarily distributed in the Hudson Valley and Long Island, but its habitat in the Downstate Jungle is expanding. Check out this new page that lists where you can currently pick up a copy in the 914.

Quarter Century Crisis group photos by Dave “Face” Boccio, and early Outsider photos are courtesy of Holly Berchielli.

It’s amazing that the 25th anniversary of Outsider Magazine is this year and that you have already published 38 issues! Can you give us a short summary of its history, and how you are celebrating this milestone?

I went to a very large high school, Newburgh Free Academy in Newburgh, NY, where only the Seniors were fully featured in the yearbook due to how many pages it would take to include all of the underclassmen. I would take a lot of photos with my disposable cameras throughout the year anyway, so I took it upon myself to collage and piece together a yearbook each year for my friends. I would put it all together, photo copy it, staple it and sell it for a buck or two. Around that time, I began going to shows and finding zines and thought, I can do this, I’m sort of doing this already. I got my friends involved and we put together a very silly first issue. There was never an intention for it to be very serious, but over time it just developed into a magazine with a real purpose. It kind of became the glue that connected the different parts of the Hudson Valley music and art scenes. Fast forward through all of its eras, Outsider is the strongest and best it’s ever been. Issue 38 just dropped on June 27, 2025, and we celebrated with an all-day event at Rushing Duck Brewery in Chester, NY on July 19th. We had eight punk and hardcore bands from the HV, NYC and NJ, vendors, a tattoo artist offering Outsider themed tattoos, our own Outsider Beer and Outcider, raffles to benefit the OCNY Veteran Center and our favorite DJ, Kazooie Louie, spinning records all day. It was a party. And we were able to raise a total of $1,900 for the Orange County NY Veteran Center.

What inspired you to bring back Outsider Magazine after a five year hiatus a few years ago?

I have been making Outsider for most of my life, so not having it active for long periods just feels empty. However, that’s not to say that I don’t need time to just kick back. In 2018 I realized I needed a break from the music scene. I had been publishing very regularly and booking shows as often as possible and the scene was just not in a good place at that point and neither was I. It felt like pushing against a wall. I decided to just take a year off and have some time to myself. In the late fall of 2019 I started working on what would have been Issue 34 and getting a team together with the intention of releasing the issue in the Spring of 2020, but we all know what happened instead. With the whole world shut down, bringing back a print magazine that relied on in-person networking and live shows just wasn’t going to work. By 2022, I had been away from Outsider too long and I missed it. Local shows started happening again and people would ask when the zine was coming back. I sent a bunch of emails, got the Instagram account going again, made some phone calls and started putting Issue 34 together, for real. It was just the right time. A lot of new bands had formed or gotten back together. People were ready to be a part of something again.

Has the format stayed the same over the years? I saw you can download some back issues from nyoutsiderzine.com – have you considered making even more old ones available?

The first ever issue was printed in 2000 off of my home inkjet printer and stapled in my living room. After that, I got a job at a local newspaper, called The Sentinel, and they allowed me print the zine on a press in more of an actual magazine format. That lasted until 2012. I no longer worked at the paper, but they were great to me. When I told them the date I was planning on bringing Issue 23 to them for printing, I was told they were going to switch me to newspaper format. My print runs could be bigger, the format was larger and be more cost effective. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but it was the right move and I have stuck with it ever since. The back issues that are available on the website are what I have in PDF format. Everything before issue 27 needs to be scanned from the original printed zines. I do intend to make more issues available for download in the future.

What were some of your favorite zines at the time you started Outsider Magazine – and now?

I have always loved magazines and comic books. In junior high, I started my monthly ritual of tracking down all my favorites. YM and Circus were my constants. I would buy Hit Parader, Flipside, Rolling Stone, Spin and Seventeen. An older friend gifted me her copies of Seventeen and I started collaging with them. Those teen girl centered magazines were just as influential on me as the music magazines were. I always had a magazine with me to read, wherever I went. When I started going to shows and finding independent record stores to shop in, there would be zines available for free or $1 and I would pick them up. There was a photocopied zine called Skank & Destroy that I got from Trash American Style in CT. That was the catalyst, I think. It looked just like those yearbooks I was making and I decided to just go ahead and continue in that vein. Today, I pick up Decibel, New Noise, Revolver … those are the only large scale music magazines that are still going that I have been reading for years. I’ve had a subscription to Bust magazine for probably 15 years. I subscribe to Razorcake. I love your zine, I Question Not Me, it’s got such a cool approach to it. There is a new zine called Through Our Eyes Zine that I think is really great, made by a girl who is probably around the same age I was when I started Outsider. She sent me a personalized drawing when I ordered her issue, which was really cool. Frozen Screams Imprint puts out a very cool metal zine with an awesome retro aesthetic now and then in different formats. Today Forever has a lot of great photography in it. In Effect Hardcore, though technically a website today, still has us all beat as far as music content goes. This topic could be its own feature. So many zines that stick in my memory that I’ve collected over the years, Rumpshaker, Vista Fanzine, I could just keep going, but we can pause here for now, ha.

How do you organize all the features, photos, ads, etc, and wrangle all your contributors so that everything fits together cohesively (and at the right number of pages?)

Each issue starts to float around in my head as soon as the current one is off the press. A lot of the content that isn’t band/music interviews is born from conversations. Spitballing ideas or seeing something cool a friend is working on or diving deeper into a movie or pop culture topic I have always liked. Coming up with content is a combined effort, for sure. I have several regular contributors who come to me with ideas each issue and we decide what is a good fit. I myself have an ever growing list of topics or interview subjects and if I feel I am not the best person to write the piece, I pitch it to whomever I feel would be the best suited. The Zine Scene and larger band or artist features are decided on by me with contributions by Chris at In Effect Hardcore. I do some of the interviews, Chris contributes what he’s interested in and I assign the rest to my writers. Johnny No-Keys from Trouble Bound, John McGrath from General Grievance and Ethan from Grave Heist also contribute regularly. I also am very happy to have been approached by a few really great freelance writers who pitch ideas to me on subjects or bands they are very excited about. I am lucky to be able to reach out to some of the best photographers in punk and hardcore for shots. Dave “Face” Boccio is the official Outsider Photographer and Steven J. Messina, Rich Zoeller, Danielle Dombrowski all contribute pretty regularly. I sell all of the ads and do all of the layout. My best friend, Ashley, does the collage work that is featured in the zine and on the covers and some of our show flyers under her moniker Shear Destruction. I think it all just comes together in my mind as a concept and then I make categories and lists in my notebook and then just check things off as I receive them and then lay them in. A lot of stuff gets jammed into each issue and it’s really just all the years of experience that makes that work as well as it does. There are definitely times when I wonder how I am going to get everything laid into place, but it always works out. I think, at this point, I just know what each issue needs. 

How do you decide who you want to highlight in upcoming issues? Do you try for a mix of genres or is that dictated by the bands that you and the contributors are most excited about at the time?

I definitely aim for a mix of genres, but that seems to happen naturally anyway. I pull from the bands I book on our shows, bands who fill out the Zine Scene form on our website and just whomever catches my interest. Chris always has great for suggestions and points me to bands from Long Island and NYC that have caught his ear. Shaun Matarrese has brought some really good writing and interviews to the zine recently. Sometimes interviews take a while to come together or get scheduled, so planning which issue it will be in can get tricky, but things always work out. 

Out of all the different roles that you take on to make Outsider Magazine happen, which are your most and least favorite?

Editorial work is my favorite! I really enjoy putting an issue together and working with everyone on my team. I’ve never fully enjoyed doing interviews unless the questions come naturally, but that’s something I have been leaning into more over the years. I think I just prefer to gather my knowledge of something I am interested in organically, not through typical research. My least favorite role would be selling ads, but I try to look at it as part of the bigger picture. There is something satisfying in having the ads in each issue reflect the community, especially when they are well designed and help the pages look interesting. Zines are time capsules, documenting whichever scene they support and the ads are very much part of that. Who hasn’t read a magazine from ten, twenty years ago and not marveled at the albums, shows or clubs that were new or current at the time of printing? Same with old show flyers.

What are some of the ways that a band or zine can be part of a future issue, such as submitting something for review or buying ad space?

Both of those are good ways to get featured. There is also a form on the Outsider website where bands or artists can apply for a spot in Zine Scene. The best way to get my attention is to come to our shows or come say hi when I (or anyone in our crew) is at a show. I am far more likely to give a band a chance if I know they are participating in their scene. Jenn Small and Lindsay Gara help with all the Outsider Shows and do a lot behind the scenes for the zine and are both active in the music scene. Both of them have turned me on to bands and been excellent representatives of Outsider at events and shows I wasn’t able to attend personally. If you want to be a part of what we are doing, say hi and talk to us when you see us. For bands or anyone outside of the HV, sending me a friendly email or a letter goes a long way.

Where can someone pick up a copy of Outsider Magazine?

Copies are available at shows, on merch tables all over the place in the HV, Long Island and parts of NYC and NJ. We leave copies at tattoo shops, bars, restaurants, record stores, random places that have other free publications available, libraries and community centers. Nature’s Pantry (locations in New Windsor and Fishkill, NY) always have copies available. Readers and businesses can request copies to give out and ask to have us deliver or mail them. We do our best to accommodate. There is always the option to make a $5 donation to have an issue and sticker pack mailed to you (US addresses). I’m hoping to keep that rate going for as long as possible. To everyone who donates extra, know that you help me mail out more than I could otherwise, and that is appreciated.

Outsider at The Green Growler, Croton-on-Hudson, NY. See above for the new Serve ‘em section listing Westchester distribution!

How do you put together the lineups for your shows, and the advantages of booking at the OCNY Veteran Center?

I have a lot of friends who make really great music! I generally start with a band or bands I want to see and build around them. The best shows tend to be made up of bands who know each other and have history. It creates such a good atmosphere. I try my best to accommodate touring bands when they contact me, as well as working with other promoters like DCxPC. One thing I do try to stick to is booking mixed bills as often as possible. I enjoy shows most when the bands all have a different sound, but are still complementary to each other. 

The OCNY Veteran Center is so incredibly welcoming and supportive. The space is easy to set up for a show, capacity is just the right size and they have a bar and kitchen that is separate from the show room, so it’s ideal for all ages shows.

What makes the Hudson Valley scene unique and how has it evolved over the past few decades?

There are so many different smaller scenes that make up the HV scene. There’s the HVHC crew, the punk bands, ska punk bands, we have great surf bands. There is a serious metal scene, as well as bands on the more melodic side of things. We have bands that can fit in on both heavier bills and more lighthearted shows and I feel that crossover at shows is important. The bands that come here to play from out of their area leave their mark and hopefully take some of what we do back with them. There is a lot of history here, especially through punk and hardcore and that is certainly a strength. People here tend to have deeply varied tastes, even if they don’t think it’s cool to broadcast that fact. 

On top of the magazine and booking shows, you and In Effect have a radio show on WXAX … how did you get that started and what can listeners expect from the show?

Jim Arndt, the original owner of WXAX, approached me at one of my shows about having Outsider do a punk and hardcore show on his station. WXAX is predominantly a metal station and he said he wanted to bring some more variety to the lineup. I asked Chris if he would like to do the show with me and it was a natural fit. It took us a while to come up with a name, but Bring The Noise first aired on November 6th, 2024. We play a mix of new and classic punk and hardcore from Ramones to Restraining Order with a heavy focus on bands from the Hudson Valley, Long Island and NYC and bands we are featuring in the zine and on the In Effect website. The show airs on WXAX (anywhere you get internet radio) on Wednesdays from 10am-Noon EST and again from 10pm-Midnight every week. 

Editor’s note: find the “Played on Bring the Noise” playlist here to identify your favorites from the show or catch up on anything you may have missed.

Outsider also always has great merch! How did you come up with the iconic logo and continue to pick interesting colorways?

Thanks! I have a lot of fun designing our merch. I have worked in graphic design and the garment industry on the retail side for a very long time. I was a professional screen printer for several years as well. The logo came about because I wanted to pay tribute to the Ramones, being that the zine is partially named after one of their songs. My friend Shawn and I first created it about twenty years ago when we used to screen print all of the Outsider merch by hand in my room. It was only used on t-shirts for years. Eventually, I had the design made digital and began using it as the official logo for the magazine. It’s changed a bit over the years and I think the version we have now is going to stick.

What’s your favorite compilation, and/or band that you discovered from a comp?

A comp that I picked up when it came out that I still listen to now and then is the Five Years On The Streets comp from Vagrant Records (1998). That’s where I discovered Face To Face. 

Name one band you don’t want to be forgotten – and is there a band who was once covered in Outsider that helped them continue to be remembered?

Well, that’s a loaded question. There are a lot of bands that I have covered that don’t play anymore or are on a “hiatus” that were so good. Some have music available to stream or buy and others don’t have much of a trace left except old interviews and that’s a tough road to go down just to choose one, but a band I covered and booked that I still play on Bring The Noise and pester about a reunion show, on and off is Entropy. 

Anything else you want to shout out or discuss? Thank you for doing this!

I feel like our scene here in the Hudson Valley and the punk and hardcore scene as a whole is so strong right now. For the most part, we are more connected and supportive of each other than ever from what I can tell, which is how it should be. I have met more like-minded people in the last few years than I can count. It’s been a pleasure getting to know you and I am honored to be a part of what you’re doing as well as having you contribute to Outsider. In particular, I am seeing and working with far more women in the scene than in the past and that makes me very happy.  

Carl Gunhouse on Brooklyn, Bazooka, and Boggs

I always enjoy seeing Carl Gunhouse’s “I had a great time photographing …” captions, which precede a carousel of action-packed images. As an evocative window into a particular show or scene, I’m often inspired to check out the bands depicted. While following Carl’s work, I grew curious about the process behind his assiduous documentation of the New York, New Jersey and surrounding scenes. We talked about his current favorites, the Downtown Brooklyn Project, and even Scott Radinsky and Wade Boggs. (All pictures here are by Carl Gunhouse besides Boggs and Radinsky.)

When did you start taking pictures at hardcore shows, and how has the process changed during your decades behind the lens? And has branching out to other subjects affected your HC photo style?

I started late May 1994 at Youth Brigade, Integrity, Lagwagon, the Bouncing Souls, Lifetime, Sticks & Stones, and Bowel at Middlesex County College. My mom was a photographer when I was growing up, and I was familiar with a camera. I was going to shows in the early ‘90s, and a lot of people were announcing triumphantly from stage that hardcore was not dead, especially in NY. As a kid it made me feel like maybe hardcore was at risk of dying, and I had to do my part to keep it going. I am not musically gifted, and I didn’t have a lot of friends, so it seemed like photography was a way I could do my part. 

It was super intimidating when I first started photographing shows. I worried people would certainly realize that I was a poser and mock me, but quickly, people like Chris Wynne from In Effect Zine, Gabe Walter from Whole 9 Yards Zine and Rick Ta Life asked for pictures and it felt like I was helping keep hardcore going (Turnstile you are welcome). Now taking pictures is how I feel the most comfortable at a show. 

Style-wise, when I started, there was a lot of drag flash, or pictures with a bunch of swirly lights and a little blur. I thought that was gimmicky, and I was a big fan of Justine DeMetrick who did Intermission Fanzine, so I tried to make pictures like hers that were sharp and evenly exposed. Over time, I’ve softened a little and now let a little blur show at times in my pictures, mostly to let in as much color from ambient light on stage as I can. The last couple years I’ve used a handheld flash at times to get some more creative shadows. And I loved Angela Owens’ tight frames from a little further back on the stage, so when I’ve been stuck with a mic stand in front of me, I’ve tried to use it to frame up the picture like Owens often did.

When I first started shooting it was just to document shows and, on some level, it still is, but as I’ve gotten older and spent my adult life teaching photography and curating art, I’ve thought a lot more about the difference between making art and documenting something. For me, art is making pictures that I think look cool even if they don’t really have any practical purpose for the band. Over the last couple of years, I’ve tried to make more artistic stuff, like portraits and still lifes at shows, which, if they are good, I hope will say something more about me than it does about the band that might be playing.

Dan Yemin and Lifetime at Middlesex County College

I always have a great time seeing your “I had a great time photographing” captions, which precede a carousel of incredible action shots. How do you pick which pics make it into these samplers? Is it more about the technically best picture, one that captures the spirit of the show, one that might inspire someone to check out the band, or all of the above?

Instagram limits you to 10 pictures, so I go with my best 10 but try and break it up evenly among the bands from the show. I try to avoid having the same band member be the subject of more than one picture. Anything extra, I put into my stories. And everything I like goes up on Facebook, which just kind of exists for me as an open-source archive. I think I err more on what captures the spirit of the show or ideally the interaction of the band and the crowd. I guess it never occurred to me that the picture would get people to check out a band, but if so, that’s rad. I do certainly try to photograph bands I am into, so I am honored that people might check them out.

Disguised at the Meatlocker

I’m impressed by how many shows you manage to shoot outside of NYC. What are some of your favorite scenes and venues?

Venue is easy: Gold Sounds’ stage is the right height for kids to sing along and stage dive. It’s small enough that it tends to be chaotic, so it’s easy to make something good picture-wise. Saint Vitus has my favorite lighting and when they don’t go crazy on the smoke machine, you get a lot of nice color caught up in the haze. The stage there is a nice height, maybe a touch long but it’s also a 5 min walk from my apartment, so I am partial. But the best vibe is Cinco De Mayo. The mismatched fluorescent lights aren’t the best for shooting color, but it’s hard to beat a floor show in a quality family-owned Mexican restaurant, which is now decorated in shirts of the bands that have played.

Cutdown at Cinco De Mayo

Scenes-wise NJ is bumping, with a lot of music diversity and lots of kids who just seem to be there to have a good time, if not awkwardly push mosh. LI and Philly are also good, where, like New Jersey, there is a proper scene where you see a lot of familiar people at shows, and everyone tends to be nice. Brooklyn had a moment, but post pandemic if you’re not going to a big show or a show on the punkier end of things. But a shoutout for Austin Ampeloquio for starting to book some good stuff and Bazooka for being rad hardcore from NYC.

Bazooka at Cinco de Mayo. Not the Bazooka of Badkid/570 fame, but I like them too.

It’s refreshing to see an OG with such pure enthusiasm for younger bands (similarly to In Effect who often features your pictures.) Can you list some of your favorite newer bands, and are there any recent changes you have noticed in hardcore, particularly after the pandemic?

Well, as an old person, I find shows get a little weird when you are there with a bunch of other old people and everyone including the band is a little gassed three songs in. I want shows with young people doing irresponsible things with other people’s physical safety, and it is hard to get that without searching out new stuff. I guess the new in newer hardcore is relative, but I love Heavyhex, Disguised, Cutdown, Never Again, Heads Will Roll, Hard 2 Kill, Burning Lord, Dead Last, Last Man Out, Blu Anxxiety, Phantom, and I am gonna stop listing things because I am just gonna think of more stuff I like, like the Freezeheads, Phantasia, Without Peace and Odiame.

Since the pandemic, things have certainly gotten bigger. There seems to be a generation of kids who seem more diverse, who occasionally dress in a way that confuses an old person like me. For instance, the face paint but not being a Juggalo? I assume that comes from people being into makeup tutorials online? But the kids do show up and seem to dance to lots of stuff, if not seem a little oblivious as to who is playing.

Heads Will Roll at the Koyo record release, Amityville Music Hall

Do your pics reveal any trends about merch and shirt colors? In your pics from the 2021 Triple B showcase I remember seeing multiple yellow shirts in the crowd and onstage (and wrote that down for an IQNM shirt trends article that has not yet happened …)

Ha, I had no idea, and no memory of that show being heavy on the yellow shirts. But I just went through the pictures, and you are right. On the first day at Saint Vitus, Scanlon, Swank, Dave from Ammunation, as well as a kid in a Trail Of Lies hoodie and a young woman are all rocking yellow to orange tops. I was never that into shirts or merch, my vice is vinyl. I liked to buy shirts to support, but at this point I have more than enough, so I guess it’s not something I think about that much. It certainly stands out more to me in old pictures. Looking at early and mid 2000’s pictures, there were a lot of terrible t-shirts and band swoopy hair, but at the time I was oblivious to it. I guess it is hard to spot trends in the moment, if you aren’t looking for them.

Blind Justice at Gold Sounds

Since I always ask this on Serve ’em a Sentence – how many library cards do you have, and in what systems? And what is your favorite library?

Oh, I am bad. I don’t have a library card and had my NY Public Library card suspended for accidentally not returning some books on Jean Renoir in grad school. Is it cheating to say the Morgan Library? It is stunning there, but I’ve mostly visited to see exhibitions and never used it as a proper library. Also, Yale Beinecke library with the marble panels that turn this crazy pink color when the late day light hits them.

Which came first, the Downtown Brooklyn project or the gallery in Brooklyn that you co-run? What is your favorite Brooklyn band of all time?

Oddly, both started at about the same time. I had been curating shows since just out of grad school. Like a lot of people. I started because no one else was putting my work in shows. That led to starting a gallery with some friends that has been up and running for over a decade. And the Downtown Brooklyn project began when a friend Jason John Wurm asked me if I wanted to be part of a group taking pictures of the change in the neighborhood, and I was into doing it. He eventually moved to LA, and the other people went on to other things, but I’ve dug it, so now it’s just me.

The Downtown Brooklyn project

Brooklyn hardcore? Hmmm, I never liked Biohazard or Life Of Agony, I heard Indecision, Shutdown and Inhuman all around the same time, and I liked Shutdown the most, but I’ve probably listened to Indecision more over the years. I guess it is fair to say Merauder were a Brooklyn band? Right? I am gonna go Merauder. Also, just got back from Dead Heat at Saint Vitus and stumped a lot of people on naming post ‘90s Brooklyn Hardcore bands. The only name I got was Creem, which I have the LP but never saw them live, so hard to claim they were a favorite of mine.

Ensign at St. Vitus

Did you ever capture an interesting detail or moment at a show and not realize it until you saw the picture after?

Oh, totally all the time. The best stuff, it’s just chaotic when it’s happening, and I have a vague sense of what I captured, and just hoping my focus is on something of interest and not the back of someone’s head.

Bazooka at Gold Sounds

Thank you for doing this! Anything else you want to cover or hype?

No, thank you. Ever since you put Rollie Fingers on the cover of a zine, I’ve been a fan. I am gonna shout out hardcore photo people I like, Steve Levy, Matt Viel, Step2Vic, William Marks, Dan Skinner, Dave DiMaggio, Todd Pollack, Agatha Hueller, Danielle Dombrowski, Tim Daley, Michelle Mennona, Rich Zoeller, David Siffert, my video friends Dan at Never Better, Jeff Davis at Feet First Productions, and Sunny from Hate5Six.

Mike Dijan before the Triple B/Daze/Streets of Hate showcase at the Monarch

I didn’t realize you were a baseball fan until you mentioned Rollie. Thank you for reading IQNM! What is your all time favorite baseball photograph and/or baseball book or movie?

Oh yeah, I’ve been a Yankee season ticket holder since the early 2000’s. And favorite baseball picture? I always loved the clouds in this Wade Boggs card, but I am gonna say this picture of Scott Radinsky playing wiffle ball in the Roxy parking lot for an interview in Rumpshaker Fanzine. Radinsky had a respectable career as a middle reliever who sang for Scared Straight and Ten Foot Pole, but more importantly he’s the only major league pitcher I ever doubled off in wiffle ball. And I love the Ken Burns documentary. I could listen to Buck O’Neil talk about anything, and it even makes George Will likable. Plus, my only solace for the Red Sox winning in 2004 is that it must have made Doris Kearns Goodwin feel good.

Scott Radinsky in Karkovice Magazine, I mean Rumpshaker Fanzine
Wade Boggs/Mine is Clouds